Saturday, October 18, 2008

Good-ol'-boys for Obama?

Wow. If this isn't some statistical fluke, and Barack can actually garner the KKK vote, I'd say it's just about over for the old guy and the beauty queen....

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Regarding Colin Powell's endorsement of Obama: Though the announcement was applauded by declared Obama supporters, I'm just cynical enough to wonder if Powell's support might actually hurt instead of help, overall. I wonder if certain white voters who are on the fence right now will think, "Gee, what a shocker: The black dude endorses the black dude. And he even crosses party lines to do it. Well if they're gonna be like that, dammit, so am I...."

14 comments:

Elizabeth said...

Goodness gracious, the end of the world (as we know it) may be near -- and not a moment too soon.

Conservatives all over the place are endorsing Obama -- and how could they not? This is a no-contest election (regardless of its results -- voter fraud is alive and well in the US). Obama is a remarkable candidate, if I may (finally) say so myself. I've really only been paying close attention to him since the Democratic convention (this year's) and I nursed a bit of a grudge against him for trouncing Hillary (whose policies, esp. health plan, I supported), but the more I hear and see of him, the more I am impressed.

I may be mistaken, but I don't think the US has ever had a presidential candidate of Obama's caliber -- somebody with comparable intelligence, emotionality and moral values, a vision for a better future for Americans and a sincere and selfless desire to implement it. I suspect JFK may have come close, but he was plagued by many inner demons, while Obama appears free of those (or at least able to keep them well in check).

It sounds smarmy perhaps, but it would be finally good to have a president we can admire, believe in, and (gasp) emulate to some degree at least (you know, as in a role model, for ourselves and for our kids -- I can imagine WWOD? bumper stickers already (What Would Obama Do? :).

Seriously.

Steve Salerno said...

Get a-hold of yourself, woman! ;)

Listen, I like the guy a lot, too--and increasingly so--but do we really want to set him up as the Messiah?

RevRon's Rants said...

Merriam-Webster offers this as the second definition (non-capitalized): "a professed or accepted leader of some hope or cause."

If we can set aside the knee-jerk response to the religious title, we may just find that the title isn't quite so offensive. Americans - and the rest of the world - are hungry for an American president with intelligence and *genuine* compassion. The Bush/Cheney years, along with the Rove/Limbaugh/Coulter/DMoTV approach to politics, have made us alternately a pariah or a laughing stock. I honestly believe that Obama will break that trend, so long as some "patriot" doesn't get all fired up by desperate campaign rhetoric and take it upon himself (or herself) to make their one vote override the majority.

RevRon's Rants said...

"Get a-hold of yourself, woman! ;)"

Probably not the best choice of phrase, Steve. Ahhh... the visuals that are a' dancing in my head right now!! :-)

M said...

Oh goodness gracious!

Let's go back in time...to FDR.

My dad was just a lad when his father drove their family across country in 1938.

Daddy says that in the car they were riveted to FDR's chats.

His father was driving cross country (Steve you would be intersted in his story) to investigate human nature, early psychology, how the mind works and so on.

He was a righteous man, having earned a DSC, a Croix De Guerre, 4 wound stipes,the Russian Order of St George (never before awarded a non-Russian) and 3 trench chevrons in the Great War. This man was not a scammer.

But anyhoo, they traveled cross country and listened to FDR's chats. They were riveted!]

I understand, and I have heard that FDR was compelling.

That said, my grandfather also confronted the KKK personally. They burnt, to the ground, his wife's Catholic Church in Claremore, Oklahoma where he served as Professor of Military Tactics and Science for the "West Point" of Oklahoma - Claremore Academy.

He organized the town to rebuild, in direct confrontation to the KKK in that area.

In his biography it is written, "The community was gripped with fear but Captain Fleet organized and mobilized the merchants and townsfolk to immediately rebuild the destroyed church."

Later, when asked why Fleet would undertake such a reponsibility, he joked, "If I hadn't I would have been forced to drive my wife 200 miles to Mass every Sunday!"

That was his way of down-playing what others described as a mark of courage - open confrontation with the KKK. He neither sought confrontation, nor did the Klan intimidate him.

He had fought hand-to-hand combat, had been wounded and gassed and received medals for bravery from four countries, what was he to fear of "cowards in bedsheets?"

I say this because others seem to think the KKK is a quaint reminder of yesteryear.

The KKK mentality exists today.

There have been many presidential candidates who outshine Mr Obama.

There is no one to vote for in this election.

People who get giddy over Mr Obama either don't know their history or else have no imagination.

Elizabeth said...

Minds out of the gutter, gentlemen. We are talking lofty things, what with the Messiah and all. :)

Seriously though, c'mon, Steve, don't be jealous.;) I have gotten a hold of myself, and -- messiah shmessiah. (And a sigh of exasperation here. Where do you see a messiah in my comment? Other than the facetious WWOD?) I just want as a leader of this nation someone who is genuine, thoughtful, principled -- and not an embarrassment for us all. Is this too much to ask?

And, honestly, if these (modest, after all) requirements mean a messiah to you, so be it. I'd settle for That One, but the messiah is acceptable too. :)

P.S. BTW, to pre-empt any probable and predictable inquiries at this point, I'd like to unequivocally state that I do not -- I repeat, do not -- have hots for Obama.

Alright, now that's settled, I've tried to vote early to avoid waiting in lines on Nov. 4th, but guess what -- there are hours-long waiting lines at my polling place *every day* since the early vote started. I have not seen anything like it yet.

Elizabeth said...

Hey, turns out I'm not the only one happy to have a presidential candidate worth emulating (no kidding, right? 100,000 people in St. Louis yesterday).

Here is one Michael Seitzman expressing similar sentiments, and much more eloquently at that:

When is the last time we had a leader that we wanted to emulate? Seriously, tomorrow when some douche cuts me off on Sunset Blvd, I'm just going to open my window at the next traffic light and calmly say, "I'd like to address your driving style. If you don't mind."

We've had so many years of people who vilify their political enemies, years of Baby Huey Bush and Cheney, of Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity laying claim to a country that only exists in the black-prison sites of their twisted minds (and at McCain rallies). It's been blood feud after blood feud for far too long. Listening to McCain was a big hunk of enough-is-enough. My kidneys are gonna shut down if I have to endure four more years of that bile.

Mccain and Palin and their ilk don't laugh. They patronize. They don't smile, they snicker. They don't debate, they denigrate. They don't talk, they condescend. They don't argue, they ridicule. There is a nastiness, a mean-spiritedness, a smug certitude, and a profound and baseless arrogance seething from both of them. These aren't leaders. They're not even grownups. They're not a team of mavericks, they're a team of schmendricks (Yiddish. Means someone who can't succeed but thinks he can. Also means penis).

Now, contrast that with Barack Obama. Always respectful, even when disrespected. Always calm, even when faced with contempt. Always articulate, never talking down. He never rattles and never takes it personally. He's not just a diplomat, he's a gentleman. You know what he has? Manners.


Yeah, like, totally, WWOD, no? :)

http://tinyurl.com/53mvqu

BTW, check out Rednecks for Obama:
http://rednecks4obama.com/page3.php

P.S. But policy-wise, Nader is my guy, what can I say...

Steve Salerno said...

M, your participation is valuable and thought-provoking, but you undercut your impact and your "listenability," if you will, by being so damned superior about it. I intended this as a forum for ideas. "I'm so much smarter than everyone else in the room" is not an idea, especially when it's repeated over and over again.

Anonymous said...

I've made a comment like this before but for someone who supposedly doesn't believe in race you sure talk alot about race!

Elizabeth said...

Rush Limbaugh and George Will are already seeing racism in Powell's endorsement. Funny how for 200-some years white guys endorsed other white guys only and no one made a peep about racism (or sexism) in their endorsements.

Elizabeth said...

Speaking of the Messiah: Jane Mayer from The New Yorker describes how Republicans (many of them) see Palin in her article
The Insiders.
http://tinyurl.com/5g5pp9

It's all that, and then some -- you be the judge, it's pretty funny stuff at times -- e.g., Billy Kristol Palin-droning on and on for hours, calling her his "heartthrob," or other male conservative pundits being so charmed by Palin that they ascribe amazing powers to her (quote from one smitten pundit: She spoke knowledgeably about missile defense, too, he said, and discussed his role, in 2001, in guiding the Bush Administration’s withdrawal from the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty*) and see the hand of God Himself in her VP candidacy.

The (unspoken) lesson: never underestimate the power of an attractive and charming woman, no matter her substance.

*Ahem. (Yeah, right.;)

Elizabeth said...

From the same issue of The New Yorker, David Sedaris' hilarious take on those elusive yet so powerful creatures -- the undecided voters:
http://tinyurl.com/62djuf

RevRon's Rants said...

anon 11:08 - Not holding to a belief isn't a necessary prerequisite to acknowledging the existence of that belief (and its effects). I've never heard *anyone* on this blog state that they don't believe in race; only that it should not hold the power that it does in our decision-making process. The only way we'll ever get to that point is by losing our fascination (and revulsion) for the strawman we perceive in others who are different from ourselves.

Unfortunately, for every person who holds the image of that strawman, there is another who strives to keep the image of their own worst stereotypes alive and well. Sharpton and Rush are but two examples that come to mind of individuals who simultaneously deride the "other" strawman while perpetuating their own.

Elizabeth said...

Two young Alaskan women speak out about Sarah Palin:
http://tinyurl.com/5q9jqw

(And either one of them appears more qualified for VP than Palin.)