Friday, January 09, 2009

Nothing could be fin-a than my new design-a vagina.

The late Richard Pryor, who famously self-immolated while free-basing, once posed: "Cocaine is God's way of telling you that you have too much money."

I think I've found a better way.

Let's start with three caveats, however.

1. This post is rated For Mature Audiences Only.

2. It's probably unfair to frame the ensuing discussion entirely in terms of vanity, as it would seem that there are, indeed, medical (or at least sexual) reasons for this course of action. On the other hand, if you browse the literature, we don't seem to be talking here about burn victims, but rather people who have this thing done for I-want-to-be-a sex-goddess-type reasons.

3. It's difficult not to be jocular about this
not to resort to puns, to take the cheap/easy shots that are there for the taking. And sometimes it's going to sound like I'm being pointedly punnish, even when I'm not. So please excuse me any moments of sophomoria that you find in what follows.

"The procedure" we're talking about is something called laser vaginal rejuvenation, or LVR. It is performed, surprisingly enough, at the Laser Vaginal Rejuvenation Institute of Los Angeles, which claims to have pioneered the technique, and which describes it as:

"...a one-hour outpatient surgical procedure designed to enhance sexual gratification. According to Master [sic] and Johnson,* sexual gratification is directly related to the amount of frictional forces generated. We can accomplish this with LVR.... LVR will effectively enhance vaginal muscle tone, strength, and control. It will also effectively decrease the internal and external vaginal diameters as well as build up and strengthen the perineal body."
Observing that "no one wants to age or lose optimal function anywhere," the Institute goes on to inform us that the procedure is intended for women "who for whatever reason lack an overall optimum architectural integrity of the vagina."

====== We shall now pause for a moment to allow female readers to check the architectural integrity of their vaginas. ======



The Institute's mission is to "empower** women with knowledge, choice, and alternatives." In fact, the Institute encourages women to participate in the "surgical design" of their revamped sex organs.
Such florid and unflinching verbiage is just the beginning; the site is quite forthright in discussing this procedure and its benefits.

And yes, it has a photo gallery. Be warned.

The Institute also offers such other wrinkles (there's one of those puns) as Designer Laser Vaginoplasty, which appears to be an umbrella term for an array of specific surgical enhancements; a
s a sideline, FYI, the Institute even does something called Brazilian Butt Augmentation. LVR and related enhancements are apparently becoming a hot commodity (and there's another one) nowadays, with a quick online search revealing a number of venues where women can go for such tune-ups. Here, for example, is the website for the one in New York:

But back to the Institute, there are also the obligatory testimonials, from which the following are excerpted:

writes, "Before I had this surgery I was uncomfortable about the esthetics of my genitalia." She deems the surgery a "miracle of cosmetic artistry" that can bring women "out of the closet" regarding “their deepest secret.”

D.G. confesses that she "felt plagued by the size of my labia ever since I was a little girl," but today, post-surgery, pronounces herself "satisfied!"

Anonymous (that's to distinguish this person from the people who immediately reveal their true identities through the use of first and last initials) realized after giving birth at age 20 to a 10lb. 5oz. gargantua that "things seemed different." LVR has made her good as new again. "Even my husband noticed the difference and was very pleased," she reports cheerfully. Overall, she describes her retooled vessel as a "motivational experience that took place. I soon lost unwanted weight, cut my hair, and made more personal improvements physically since then.... I am now 35 years old and planning to have another child next year, and if the same situation arises from this child, I will not hesitate to have this procedure performed again."

A.B. gushes that "it's so nice to look in the mirror everyday and see a more beautiful me."

...She looks in the mirror at it? Every day?...

Anyway, I've thought and thought about this, and one might say I'm left groping for answers. We've had a number of discussions on SHAMblog about the nature of Self, and whether the pursuit of a radically different, idealized "self" actually represents the abandonment of Self. In that light, the Pursuit of the Perfect Vagina strikes me as...a bit much? Especially since the overall tenor of the Institute's site makes it clear that women do this at least as much because of the way they want it to look as the way they want it to feel. If that isn't the apotheosis of the narcissism that afflicts our generation, I don't know what else could be. Part of me (no, not that part) thinks that if you've got thousands of dollars to burn, as many of these well-tended 90210 types do, you shouldn't be burning them on your coochie. (Ouch.) Maybe you might consider writing an extra-large check to Goodwill Industries or St. Jude's Children's Hospital.

On the other hand, maybe these women have already discharged their charitable debt aplenty and thus feel entitled to spend a few more bucks on themselves. But it also occurs to me that despite all the blather about "empowering" women, at the end of the day this is just one more sniper attack in the continuing war on women's dignity, self-confidence and peace of mind. With all the things gals already need to worry about as a direct result of the paranoia-inducing cover lines in (so-called) women's magazines
which also claim to empower women, but actually inundate them month after month with potent negative messagesthey have to worry about that, too??

* This is a bit of a shock. You'd think that a clinic specializing in such intimate aspects of sexuality would've at least mastered the spelling of Masters, one of sexuality's pioneering figures.
** I'm seriously thinking of petitioning my senior senator from PA, Arlen Specter, to introduce a bill that would force anyone who henceforth uses the word empower, in any of its forms, to pay a $100 fine per occurrence. We could balance the budget in roughly six weeks, by my calculations. Hell, we could probably pay for the GM bailout just by watching and taxing Oprah.


Voltaire said...

Steve, Steve, what's wrong with you? If American business isn't busy making us all neurotic about ourselves, just think how little money could be made. You have it all wrong, you should be trying to figure out how to fleece the American public into believing it's somehow inadequate and needs YOUR PRODUCT to make itself whole.

And about the subject at hand, women aren't the only ones with this kind of pressure from practitioners purveying private improvements. I once read a very long and detailed article in Esquire about how men are now modifying the length and girth of their primary sexual characteristic. There were quite a few techniques to do this, one of the more common (and quite dangerous, I might warn) was attaching various weights in order to, ahem, "stretch the truth."

Anonymous said...

I was just about to write my own comment when Voltaire's came in and it's right on the money. Why do you always cover these vanity issues from the standpoint of women being the guilty parties? Certainly there is no shortage of men who organize their whole lives around vanity, including among other things the women they pick to be seen with! And maybe even this, as extreme as it is falls into the category of things women do to please narcissistic men. Did you ever think of that?

sassy sasha said...

"pause to check the architectual integrity of their vaginas". ROFL!!!!!

i can't imagine anything like this, it seems so shallow, which is another pun i guess. actually it seems icky. but maybe that's easy for me to say as the proud owner of a young vagina! ;-P

RevRon's Rants said...

====== We shall now pause for a moment to allow female readers to check the architectural integrity of their vaginas. ======

Ties right in with my "Beckinsdale for a day" fantasy, doesn't it. :-)

And just as other commenters have noted, the inclination to take frequent inventory of one's assets is hardly gender-specific. As a matter of fact, I'd venture that the observation of members of the opposite sex engaging in such asset analysis is nearly as popular as is the more solitary version, if not more so. Of course, I could be wrong (or merely perverted!). But there are a lot of Internet sites that would see to bear out my theory... or so I'm told. :-)

VW - tentedic... no comment necessary!

renee said...


You may or may not have read about the trend among pregnant women [of a certain economic class no doubt] who opt for a caesarian birth - also known as surgery - so they don't disrupt the integrity - for lask of a better word - of their vaginas.

Leaves me shaking my head. And depressed. And concerned about whatever happened to common sense.
And wondering what kind of relationship these women have with their partners if instead of celebrating the miracle of birth, they appear to be more concerned about her staying tight as snare drum if you will, for all future conceptions or lack thereof.

Steve Salerno said...

Renee, you have this facility for saying something as it cries out to be said. Myself--for all my cheekiness in running a post like this in the first place--I kinda shied away from snare-drum references and the like. So I'm glad it came from a woman. ;)

You also raise a good point about the "why?" factor here: i.e., whether these women are doing it because of complaints/snide remarks from their SOs. That strikes me as sad.

Anonymous said...

Steve: "discharged their debt."?


Steve Salerno said...

Anon 12:50 (et al): I'm sorry, that one truly was unintentional, or at least Freudian.

Anonymous said...

Wasn't "Master and Johnson" the first pun of yours?

About this (ahem) "Institute" - does it offer fellowships of grant degrees? How about offering tours? Does it advertise on TV? Tommy LaSorda would be a great spokesman (..."Designer vaginas - You've got to really WANT IT! With Mothers' Day right around the corner..."
And who are the designers? Vera Wang? Burberry? What would happen if two women wore the same designer vagina to a party? Will Joan Rivers ask on the red carpet "Who are you wearing and who are you sharing?" Will a Helmut Lang vagina and a Vera Wang G-string and Prada lingerie constitute a reunion of the Axis Powers? Will this be topic of conversation in pick-up bars? ("What's your sign? What's your vagina? My last girlfriend was a Scorpio/Versace...")
Will the designs be subject to copyright laws? If so, will cheap knock-offs come from overseas?

(Do I get style points for avoiding the obvious phrases "beating around the bush" and "lickety-split""?)

Anonymous said...

So, Steve, when can we expect a post from you on the penis enlargement craze?

Steve Salerno said...

Anon 2:13, Anon 11:15, Voltaire, and Ron: Look, there's no denying you make good points about the gender-one-sidedness here. I'll have to think about that. I guess I've always thought of such topics in terms of the demands that our culture makes uniquely on women--and the pressure they feel to "keep up," stay forever young, etc. But maybe I'm naive to think that men aren't almost as (or just as) fanatical in that regard. And now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go tie a weight to a certain sensitive area.

Cosmic Connie said...

Joke if you will, people, but I can see why some of those women would want one of the good doctor's procedures. I looked at those pictures, although my computer told me I needed to update my Flash player (ahem) first. And in some of those "before" pics, the ladies had little tubes stuck in their private parts! Now, whether this was a congenital (sorry) condition or not, I don't know, but it seems that having a tube in one's most intimate bodily space would interfere with sex and childbirth, and would play havoc with one's self-esteem. So, good for the doc for empowering those poor women.

In all seriousness, if women are self-conscious about the appearance of their genitalia, perhaps it is from a lifetime of hearing jokes and snide remarks about vaginas (maybe not about theirs particularly, but just in general). And maybe some women, especially following childbirth, really have lost the capacity to enjoy sex, and surgery could help them regain it.

I agree, however, that all of the "empowerment" crap, not to mention the "designer vagina" stuff, is eminently jokeworthy.

RevRon's Rants said...

"And now, if you'll excuse me, I have to go tie a weight to a certain sensitive area."

Reminds me of pledging a fraternity back in college... before getting myself blackballed. There are definitely some bizarre limits to the Greek sense of humor. :-)

Steve Salerno said...

Connie, I saw that, too, about the Flash player, and it didn't connect until now. You make a good point about their desire to do this being rooted in self-consciousness, but that of course begs the question of why they'd feel self-conscious in the first place, and I think goes to Renee's point (and mine) about the unrealistic expectations we put on women. Why does everything have to be so idealized? This hit home for me again last night when I saw Priscilla Presley giving an informal Graceland tour in Larry King, and once again I couldn't get over what she'd done to herself in the name of staying "forever young." It's tragic.

You're also right about the (ill) humor. A young woman I know once told me a story about how she was eating in the college cafeteria one day, and a guy called out to his girlfriend, who had just walked in, "Hey, here comes cavernous vagina now!" At full volume, in earshot of everyone. I know that jokes are jokes, but that sort of stuff probably needs to stop.

Cosmic Connie said...

Steve, re your footnote about a proposed tax for using the word "empowerment" -- I'm with you on this one. That word, in its pop-psychology context, was old even back in the 1980s. It has long since outlived its usefulness.

Another potential tax base: frequent users of the word "awesome," a word that lost its power about when "empowerment" did. Nowadays, the only criterion for something or someone to be "awesome" is that he, she, or it simply exists. EVERYTHING/EVERYONE is awesome, awesome, awesome.


Steve Salerno said...

An awesome comment, Connie. I felt empowered just reading it.

Ron: I can see how you would've ended up blackballed....

Elizabeth said...

What Connie 2:27 said in the paragraph before last.

Other than that, regrettably (or more likely not), I have exhausted my supply of clever designer vagina comments on another blog. BTW, they were nowhere near as funny as those already written here by others.

But I can't wait to weigh (ahem) in on the issue when you, Steve, do finally write that post about penis enlargement, cures for baldness, erectile dysfunction pills, sports cars, and busty blond babes (with designer vaginas :) as mandatory male narcissistic accessories. Oh, will that be fun!

Elizabeth said...

that sort of stuff probably needs to stop.


Steve Salerno said...

You know what it is, Eliz? Much as I think it's deplorable that young men and women banter in this manner (and what I left out was that the girl responded by greeting her beloved with "Hi there, pencil-dick," or some such--though she waited till she got closer to the table before saying it), I'm reluctant to suggest any formal steps that police humor and/or public discourse more than we already do. Lord knows there's little enough humor allowed in public settings anymore as it is. And yet as people have amply pointed out to me on a number of occasions, if you don't do it formally, it doesn't happen on its own. So I don't know...

Elizabeth said...

Yeah, I know, Steve, I get it -- the unwanted mandatory part 'n all. And I agree that mandating "humor" (or anything else in social mores) has a tendency to backfire.

But for the life of me I cannot envision any situation that would justify that kind of a comment, and made publicly at that (with the accompanying "dick" rejoinder , etc.) Because what exactly does one want to accomplish by saying such things, other than relieve one's pent-up (and/or sub/unconscious) hostility (and then some)?
Oh well.

WV: fuccon. Sigh.

Rational Thinking said...

Clicking on that picture gallery was definitely a mistake. Hey, if you want to have your genitalia surgically enhanced, fine by me. But sanctioning the publication of one's before and after photographs on a website? Now that's disturbing.

Elizabeth said...

OK, this one I can't resist: a (male) friend with whom we discussed the very same topic elsewhere made a deadpan remark, I've always thought one size fits all...

Now more seriously, I have heard comparisons made between elective vaginal surgery and female genital mutilation. While I personally do not think these two are comparable in significant ways, there is perhaps some food for thought in throwing them together.

Elizabeth said...

Yeah, RT, I get your distaste, but I think that these pics are really not any more (or less) offensive than any other pics of clinical procedures. Because, if we take away the prurient element here, this is no different (and possibly even less offensive/damaging/etc.) than, for example, pictures of human faces before and after cosmetic or reconstructive surgery.


Sheesh... I just noticed your disclaimer, Steve:

This post is rated For Mature Audiences Only.

So, clearly, I don't belong. My apologies for intruding.

But I will be back for the penis enlargement and male baldness post. (Can't wait! ;)

Steve Salerno said...

Eliz: I haven't thought this through, so please don't hold me to it, but my knee-jerk reaction is that comparisons like that are where a great deal of so-called progressive gender thinking goes completely off the rails. I am reminded of the remark by a leading feminist, some years back, posing that "all sexual intercourse is rape." (I believe it is most often attributed to Catherine MacKinnon.) I'm not saying that this new analogy is in that category of provocation. I am saying that I think we need to be wary of how far we take these things in indicting a culture or an entire class of people.

Of course, I'd be interested to hear what others have to say, if they should choose to weigh in.

roger o'keefe said...

Steve: I don't even know what to say about this one. I think my response falls under the general heading of TMI?

Elizabeth said...

Actually, Steve, the comparison I heard was made by a couple of male pundits and it was subsequently repudiated by several women, some of a clearly feminist persuasion.

I don't see similarities between the two, other than the fact that both procedures involve slashing women's genitals (oh god... am I really saying that?)

The major difference, however, is the purpose of each procedure (not to mention its execution). In the elective surgery, it is sexual enhancement (and other "positive" reasons), while in FGM the goal is to control and curb, if not destroy, a woman's sexuality.

But, yeah, I see the analogy with the "intercourse as rape" discussion you bring up.

Steve Salerno said...

NOTE: If you haven't yet voted in the poll question on the main page, I'd appreciate your taking a moment to do so. Even if you don't have a clear-cut feeling, or you think you need more background before making such a decision--as some have complained off-blog--I'd appreciate your taking a stab at it anyway. So far, we've got a smaller sampling than I would've expected, given the mass influx of SHAMbloggers in recent times. One hates to beg, but if you have a moment, and you haven't yet cast your ballot, I'd be grateful.

Right now the opinion is evenly divided, as you can see, and I'm curious about whether that verdict would hold, with a larger response.

Elizabeth said...

I also have just noticed -- and appreciated -- you getting in touch with your inner poet, Steve, in the title of your post. It's awesome and empowering, no doubt. :)

Anonymous said...

Steve, here in London there is this "Like a virgin" surgery where you can get your hymen replaced. Some religious women do it to fool unsuspecting husbands and others relish being "touched for the very first time" again.

I don't really know what to think?

Also, about the elective cesearian topic - I wonder how many more elective cesearians there would be if men had vagina's amd had to give birth naturally. Please don't blame a women when the fear of being torn down there sends her into theatre. I would have a hard time deciding what kind of birth to have so I would never judge.


Steve Salerno said...

Londoner: Hmmm. The "Madonna Surgery," huh? We're drifting into areas now where I can't help but react as a man, and some of those feelings are visceral and rather strong. I know I sort of snapped at Eliz earlier for the analogy she brought to the fore, but the first thing I thought of when I read your comment was how closely aligned this is (apparently, in my mind) to paternity fraud. Regular readers know that my family and I were victimized in that manner, by a girl who told us that she and my son had conceived a child, when that later turned out not to be the case. Oh, the child was real me on that. Sophia was the light of my life for almost two years. But the circumstances of her conception were not, shall we say, as advertised. She was ripped from our lives and the mother eventually committed suicide, which means the whole affair, that whole episode of my life, is now swathed in so many layers of potent emotion that reflecting on all of it for more than a minute makes my head (and heart) want to explode. But I guess the point--for the purposes of this blog--is that the sexual lies that we tell are capable of doing great damage, both emotionally and literally. And yes, that applies as well to a man's sexual lies, which, in my life, I have been guilty of telling.

RedFern said...

Designa-vagina, eh? A group of folks had this discussion a while back on the Erotica Readers/Writers website. I'm posting a link here but be warned there is explicit, adult-only language being in use. That said:

Elizabeth said...

Steve, first things first:

You snapped? I've not noticed. Really. But I noticed your "snap" the day before (which you didn't). So I guess one man's snap is another woman's... non-snap, and vice versa. Or something like that. :)

All snapping aside, the hymen surgery (my, is this a bad segue or what...) would not be popular if there was no premium on women's purity in men's minds. No woman chooses (can you imagine?!) genital surgery for reasons other than pleasing her man (genuine health problems aside). So I dunno where the blame -- if one can call it a blame -- falls exactly.

And, btw, isn't it similar with penile enlargement procedures? Men have the idea that size matters (and it does, but well within the reasonable and normal range) -- an idea strongly reinforced by the pop culture -- so their perceived inadequacies in this area create quite an anxiety in them (as well as a market for appropriate procedures). A market, which, as in the case of female cosmetic genital surgery, probably would not exist if things good enough were left alone.

Same with male baldness, which is such a frequent source of insecurity for men. To women (ok, this woman and others she knows) this is a non-issue, because what matters is not what's on top of the noggin but what's inside it. (And, btw, bald is sexy*, but that's beside the point.)

So we have a collusion here of natural but manageable insecurities which are present in all of us, with the myths of pop-culture that hype up those anxieties, and the market trends that follow and further exacerbate them as well as the public demand for enhancements. This is something Voltaire noted, ironically but very much on point, at the top of this thread.

As for sexual lies... Ay. I think there are two kinds -- those that stem from insecurity but are not necessarily malevolent, and the purposely manipulative kind, intended to use and abuse another. Sometimes, however, it's hard to tell which is which; and sometimes there is indeed no difference between them. You are right, Steve, these lies can be terribly devastating for they scar the most intimate and tender parts of our selves (no puns here).

*With the notable exception of Joe The Non-Plumber.

Elizabeth said...

A.B. gushes that "it's so nice to look in the mirror everyday and see a more beautiful me."

...She looks in the mirror at it? Every day?...

Hilarious. D'you think that people who write these fake* endorsements are being purposely ironic?

*Because in my naivete I have a hard time imagining that this stuff is true. Then again...

RevRon's Rants said...

Well, Steve, leave it to the folks down under to offer a great counterpoint to the designer vagina discussion:

Elizabeth said...

The link given by Redfern has brought out my inner prudish Aunt Edna from her hibernation. And that's no small feat at this time of the year, with a foot or so of snow on us.

While I appreciate the openness in sexual matters (at least I think I do), I wonder at what point there is too much of it. Reading the letters from commenters discussing the most intimate details of their anatomy as well as their adventures with the most intimate details of others' anatomies, makes me think that we are not doing ourselves a service by opening *that* much. In my -- old-fashioned, obviously -- mind there is a distinct need for at least some mystery and awe in sex matters, which, if nothing else, inspire a healthy respect and appreciation for the incredible (and awesome, yes :) gift that sex is. (Yep, this is Aunt Edna in her full preaching glory, what can I tell ya...)

There is one man there (out of many) who writes oh-so-appreciatively about his girlfriend's anatomy and brags along the way about his rich and varied experience with women (or more specifically, women's parts, really).

Now, is this is really a turn-on, or even a positive aspect of one's character to contemplate for anyone, especially for women? What does this kind of "openness" accomplish, really? When we start talking about sex with the indifference and/or nonchalance we accord to other matters of living, like, for example, discussing varieties of pizza, aren't we losing something important? And aren't we deluding ourselves into thinking that we are so hip and sophisticated while, in reality, we just show a poverty of our imagination and feeling?

Or am I so out-of-touch with today's reality that my concerns here betray only my own stuck-up-ness? Because I do believe that there are certain things in our most intimate relationships and experiences that do not need to be said -- in fact, they should not be said. And sometimes should not even be heard and/or seen. Or so says my inner Aunt Edna.

P.S. VWs: toriste. A tourist. As in, a (accidental) tourist in reality... I tells ya, these VWs are becoming more and more significant. Either that, or my paranoia grows. :)

Anonymous said...

Well, Elizabeth et al., you may enjoy this, on the perils of writing about sex:

Steve Salerno said...

Anon 1:31: What a great piece, so to speak. I remember once before hearing someone in literati circles commit the ultimate sacrilege by implying that Updike--who clearly felt he could exalt erotic writing to a new level merely by being Updike--had, well, bitten off more than he could chew. Every time I read such bawdy snippets, I'm reminded of that classic scene in Naked Gun: "He thrust his purple-headed warrior into her quivering mound of love pudding..." (If you don't know what I'm referring to, check your brains at the door and rent the flick sometime.)

And the juvenile in me couldn't help but take note of the byline: Bonislawski. I have a feeling that means something wicked in Polish/Croat.

Elizabeth said...

Bonislawski. I have a feeling that means something wicked in Polish/Croat.

Hey! I have you know that it is a perfectly respectable Polish name with no dirty connotations. In the Polish at least. Steve, you wicked man, you. :)

Anon, thanks a bunch, I enjoyed the article. Very much so, indeed, especially its perverse ending. And, btw, so did Aunt Edna, who found it not only entertaining, but also, as she put it, "highly educational." She is too busy to write herself now; she is studying her cookbook, the chapter on "Sauces and Glazes." (The woman surprises me sometimes.)

Anyway, wasn't Updike (now, that's a wicked name!) just recently awarded The Worst Writer of Erotic Fiction title (or something similar) for his heroic efforts? Well deserved, I'm sure, though I suspect that it is not easy to choose, as the list of contenders in this category is particularly long and the competition stiff. (Speaking of juvenile.;)

P.S. I see that Aunt Edna is moving on to "Puddings." Go figure.

Elizabeth said...

Here it is, the Updike's dubious honor:

Updike named laureate of bad sex writing

Bloomberg News
Tuesday, November 25 2008

John Updike's sex scenes - including a romp with a "Widows of Eastwick" witch in a beachside motel room - won a Lifetime Achievement Award at Britain's ever-anxiously awaited Bad Sex in Fiction Awards.

Rachel Johnson, the sister of London Mayor Boris Johnson, captured the 16th annual Bad Sex Award itself for a scene in "Shire Hell" that begins with moans and nibbles and works up to screaming and other animal noises.

Previously won by Tom Wolfe, Sebastian Faulks and Norman Mailer, the contest seeks to dishonour the author of the year's worst sex scene. London's monthly Literary Review inaugurated the prize in 1993 "to draw attention to the crude, tasteless, often perfunctory use of redundant passages of sexual description in the modern novel, and to discourage it."

Full text:

Anonymous said...


I wonder what you think about the millions of Mills & Boon books written for women by women about virginal love.

It aint just a man thing is it?


literary lioness said...

Speaking of virgins, you would be surprised at how many males do not want virgin females. I was a bit surprised by discovering that in my research. I am writing a book about online love success stories, since I met my husband online, and one big complaint was virginity! When I was interviewing the guys, besides age and weight, the men were not interested in “old virgins.” These were women who had not had a lot of social experience and were still virgins, but in their 30s and 40s. These men did want marriage partners and long-term lovers, just not with inexperienced women. It very much blew my mind. The media would have us believe everyone is “hooking-up,” but there seems to be quite a few who are keeping their bloomers in place.

Anonymous said...

Student auctions off virginity for offers of more than £2.5 million

A student who is auctioning her virginity to pay for a masters degree in Family and Marriage therapy has seen bidding hit £2.5million ($3.7m).

Natalie Dylan, 22, claims her offer of a one-night stand has persuaded 10,000 men to bid for sex with her.

Last September, when her auction came to light, she had received bids up to £162,000 ($243,000) but since then interest in her has rocketed.

The student who has a degree in Women's Studies insisted she was not demeaning herself.

Miss Dylan, from San Diego, California, USA, said she was persuaded to offer herself to the highest bidder after her sister Avia, 23, paid for her own degree after working as a prostitute for three weeks.

She said she had had a lot of attention from a wide range of men, including "weirdos", "those who get really graphically sexual about what they want to do to me" and "lots of polite requests from rich businessmen".

Miss Dylan said she did not think it was particularly significant to be willing to sell your virginity and insisted that she was happy to undergo medical tests for any doubters.

She said: "I get some men who are obviously looking for a girlfriend but I try and make it clear that this is a one-night-only offer.

"I know that a lot of people will condemn me for this because it's so taboo but I really don't have a problem with that.

"My study is completely authentic in that I truly am auctioning my virginity but I am not being sold into this. I'm not being taken advantage of in any way.

"I think me and the person I do it with will both profit greatly from the deal."

She added: "It's shocking that men will pay so much for someone's virginity, which isn't even prized so highly anymore."

Elizabeth said...

Londoner, I really don't know what to think about it. I don't read this stuff and have no idea what it is about (though could probably imagine if forced to). Nor am I in any way an expert here (a massive understatement, that). I suspect that this (virginal love) has its fans, just like about any and all facets of human sexuality, no matter how strange. I guess there must be something alluring and perhaps even romantic about it. But as the Anon's post (about the student auctioning her virginity) suggests, there is a huge *male* market for this sort of thing. Well, whatever it is, to each his own, I'd say.